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One arguement is John 10:28! But before we read verse 28, lets first read verse 27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

Obedience is part of the condition. They follow Jesus!

John 10:28-29
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Although it is clear that NO ONE is able to pluck a child of God from the hand of Jesus Christ our Lord, the OSAS teachers turn a blind eye to other scriptures and say "THAT INCLUDES YOU, YOURSELF!"

Let me explain! Although scriptures declare that there is NONE righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10) and that ALL have sinned (Romans 3:23), we cannot simply add Jesus as being included when other scriptures clearly declare that Jesus NEVER sinned. (2 Cor. 5:21)

In like manner, when other scriptures clearly declare that a brother CAN forsake the faith, depart from God, and deny the Lord, you cannot include the individual Christian into the equation as though he is incapable of turning away from God! To do so, would be in denial of the truth and warnings of the scriptures!

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Hebrews 3:12-14
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

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Hebrews 10:38-39
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [39] But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

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1 Tim. 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

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John 15:6
If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

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These scriptures above nullify the idea that you "cannot" pluck yourself from the Father's hand!

The OSAS teachers also argue, that in Ephes. 1:13, that we are "sealed" and therefore cannot ever be "unsealed"!

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephes. 1:13

Ephes. 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

As shown in Eph. 1:13 above, the Holy Spirit is the "seal"! Yet scripture declares that God can remove the Holy Spirit (1 Sam. 16:14), and also that He can “Blot out” a name from the BOOK OF LIFE (Rev. 3:5), remove the candlestick (Rev. 2:5) and spew (Gr. "emeo" - vomit) out the lukewarm Christian (Rev. 3:15-16).

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1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

In David's prayer of repentance, he pleaded with God NOT to remove the Holy Spirit from him!

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Psalm 51:11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

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The OSAS doctrine places a false security upon the unrepentant sinner who would never even consider praying such a prayer as David prayed, as they are convinced by their teachings that God would never (and could never) remove the Holy Spirit from them, no matter what they do! After all, they reason, they are "Sealed until the day of redemption"!

But if my study has been fruitful to reveal the error of the OSAS doctrine, may I encourage you to read the condition required, the debt we owe, for keeping the seal in Eph. 4:17-5:14. We must "put off" the "old man of sin" and "put on" the "new man of righteousness and holiness" (4:22-24) (and Col. chapter 3)

Don't let anyone deceive you by any means, we have a debt to pay in order to keep our salvation.

Romans 8:12-13 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The gift of salvation was free! He freely pardons those who repent and call upon his name! There is nothing we can do to pay for our sins committed in the past to earn our salvation. BUT, to keep our salvation, we must "mortify the deeds of the body"!

Philip. 2:12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

There is a false quote I have heard from these OSAS people through the years, which has infected many church pulpits. The quote "He has already forgiven us of our past, present and future sins"! This "catch all" phrase is used to pardon the believer "in advance" of the sins committed after salvation, as though there is never a need to repent once the believer is saved, since they are "eternally secure"!

The only truth to the above quote is the term "Past" sins! There is NO scripture that mentions the "present and future sins" being attoned for, in advance, without the repentance of the believer who sins after receiving Christ as Lord!

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

The present and future sins, and their pardon, is explained in the following verses:

1 John 1:9-2:2 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
[2:1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

If the believer does NOT repent of these sins committed after salvation, the scriptures declare that they will die!

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; [20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:8

Another verse they use is John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Please notice the part that says: "and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out". So then what happens to the person who turns away from Him as described in Hebrews 6:4-6, or in 2 Peter 2:20-22, or in Romans 11:22? Or one who denies Him as in 2 Tim. 2:12?

Or those like Hymenaeus and Alexander who "shipwrecked their faith" in 1 Timothy 1:19-20?

For the Once saved, Always saved teachers, a multitude of scriptures in this study and more, giving warning, are disregarded and explained away! As a street preacher, I have met many whom have sadly been influenced by this false doctrine. They sin openly and laugh in my face saying "Hey! I was saved once and I cannot lose my salvation!" Their teachers will have to give account for this before God. These teachers give the excuse, "They were never saved in the first place!" Yet they once believed in Christ, they confessed Jesus Christ as Lord, and were baptized into Christ. With this philosophy, how then does any man know when, and if he is truly saved? The OSAS doctrine places EVERY believer into the questionable category of asking "Is this person really saved", which can only be answered after they have completed the Christian course of life and have "Overcome" to the end, since only those who are "really" saved will endure to the end! I cover the details on this topic with many scriptures on my web page Saved by Faith which I beleive will be very helpful to clear up this question!
 

Other OSAS teachers will say "Yes, they were saved, but they will only lose their rewards in heaven!" According to 1 Cor 6:9-10, the backslider who dies of a heart attack while in the act of adultary with his neighbors wife, without repentance, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and will be cast into the lake of fire according to Rev. 21:8! They will lose the reward of "eternal life", not their mansion!

For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. (Heb 10:36 KJV)

Read verses 37-39 if you wrongfully nullify this verse. Those who draw back and lose their faith will perish! We MUST "believe to the saving of the soul"!

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (Mat 24:13 KJV)

I believe that we are saved when we confess Jesus Christ as Lord, BUT then we must: "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12 KJV)

Teachers of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, I plead with you, do not forsake the warnings, preach them to the sheep! God will NOT hold you guiltless for the souls who perish from this error in doctrine! Warn them that their sins, their disobedience, their evil deeds, unless repented, may cost them their soul, and their blood will be upon YOUR hands!
 

WHY DID JESUS COME TO EARTH?!

“And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:4-10)

He came so that we would SIN NO MORE! John 8:11 “...Go and SIN NO MORE!”
 

FINALLY

“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. 18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? 19Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. 20The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. 21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.” (Jer. 23:16-22)

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE BACKSLIDER?!

IF YOU ARE BACKSLIDDEN --- REPENT!